If the painting had not been rescued it would be ruined and there would be no issue. Maybe that is what the Blake family are hoping for. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? March 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM The ... hand shop for a pound .Was only wanting the frame as i went to cut out the picture and noticed it has a signature with winslow homer on .Its a coastal oil painting .As i … Sotheby's. Alternatively, "the family" could have bought it at auction if they were suddenly so desperate. https://fresh-foodz.com.au Fresh-Foodz - Daily Needs Online. Worcester is known for it’s collection of great American artists and Homer is right up there in the top. As usual, the only winners will be the lawyers. Tony liked collecting things, in fact he has quite a collection of old pictures and other objects, that he likes to keep. Does this mean you believe Selina and her family were in the wrong? Do you know of any updates surrounding this story? It would be good to see whats happened now. In 1859 Homer moved to New York, which remained his winter home until the 1880 s, and studied for a brief time at the National Academy of Design and with Frederic Rondel. [4] He gave the painting to his daughter Selina Varney. thanks so much for reading. Even though the Blake family have never pressed its ownership. IF (and for only two letters, that's a very big word) Simon Murray's very convenient photocopies of his great-great-granny's diary mention that Winslow Homer promised to present her with a "sketch" of her three children in their costumes from the ball. Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! Nell Rose (author) from England on August 19, 2020: Exactly Shauna, it was just greed. It seems to me that leveraging property you may not own as collateral for a loan is a smart move, and she is being advised by a very good property attorney. I noticed his evidence of provenance by way of the letters referred to a sketch not a painting - could it be that Homer sketched the family and gave that to Lady Blake whilst he completed the painting later - perhaps he then took it to Ireland later. I do understand both parties. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. Even a magistrate would agree. What a little pig he is. Clifford Schorer says Selena Varney (used the painting as security for a loan. Had Selina's dad not had the wherewithal to add it to his collectibles, this wouldn't even be an issue. Thanks for coming back, hope you are well? The whole thing is ridiculous. Embrace the fact that moderation, humility and kindness are virtues and not weaknesses. Aha Penny, do tell! But Selina held onto her dignity by not responding. [13] Sotheby's responded that the ownership of the painting was still disputed and should be settled in the courts. So surely the law just has to decide whether if you throw something away, have you a claim to it now? Born in Boston and raised in rural Cambridge, he began his career as a commercial printmaker, first in Boston and then in New York, where he settled in … In other words, it was just a coincidence that she happened to be there at the same time as the sale. Like a paint-by-number, as it were, which would explain why the family always thought it was one of her own watercolors. Largely self-taught, Homer began his career working as a commercial illustrator. Evidently they claim that it had been in their family for generations, and had been stolen years ago. The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. Fascinating story. A 50% share in that painting would've been more than he was rightfully entitled to, but after his true colors were shown I sincerely hope he gets nothing, that he's disinherited, and that he dies penniless and alone. My personal belief is that either the Blakes who live there now, had the house cleared out, and all the rubbish was taken to to rubbish dump. A perfect depiction of greed and petty behavior of a sneaky man. The Blake's have NOTHING. I personally think Selena had a good case. I take umbrage with Simon Murray’s comments accusing Selina of wanting the money to buy a swimming pool and cars while he’s the one saying he needs the money for renovations! It is only when the item was VALUED that an interest and family need to own it was established. I personally think the family that found the painting should be entitled to the total amount especially as there was no evidence of a burglary. Presumably, the proceeds will be used to repay the loan. Thanks for reading, nell. For example, some art works acquired (?stolen) by the Nazis before and during WWII from Jewish families, have been returned to descendants after expensive court cases. I do wish they would do an update, it is very frustrating though. First of all yes I totally understand what you mean about Simon Murray's so called evidence, of course it can't possibly prove where the painting went, how, or why. A barrister represented Selina Varney (now Rendall) in the title dispute with Shirley Rountree (Rountree v Rendall) turning on the English and Irish laws of: In 2018 a court battle was still going over ownership of the painting. It is in watercolour and pencil. I love these stories of art thefts and the ensuing legal fights. much to convenient! [11] According to Mr. Murray, his family didn't know that the painting was stolen until it was put up for auction at Sotheby's. lol! Where have we gone wrong in the world, where politicians become fat cats who are self serving, and show no example for the poor or wealthy on the planet. Are there any updates on the rightful ownership of Homer's 'Children under a palm tree? Sadly, there isn't any change on the horizon. Winslow Homer - beroemde schilderijen collectie. On retrospect. this is just greed, and yes I agree, a number 1 sin, nell. We all felt sorry for her, but now it seems things have turned out okay, lol! thanks, that sounds interesting! Doesn't make sense, does it?! After so many years, finders keepers ought to be the verdict. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 16, 2020: If this were maritime law, she's have salvage rights and claim against the paintings for rescuing them from certain ruin. thanks for reading, nell. The items had, in some cases, gone through a number of owners who bought them in good faith. At the same time, they decided to put it up for sale at Sotheby's. thanks again, and have a great weekend, nell. I did email them a couple of years ago, but refused to tell me anything.Thanks for reading. I didn't read the entire list of comments, but got the gist of what has happened. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 29, 2018: Me too! There shouldn't have been a problem. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 31, 2014: Hi Garp, yes that's so true, I did try getting in touch with Sotheby's but to no avail, they wouldn't give me any info, it seems its a stand off still! Nell Rose (author) from England on May 28, 2015: Than;ks Penny, Phew! Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on December 29, 2013: Hey, Nell! And of course figure out if it was a fake or the real thing. Please keep me updated I cannot wait to see the look on the grandsons face when common sense prevails . Nell Rose (author) from England on March 08, 2017: LOL! Nell Rose (author) from England on January 18, 2014: Hi Trogging, that's so true! I felt an instant dislike to the great grandson and his attitude to toward the family. but the new owner still has a long way to go. the haves have more, the poor have les and nobody cares! Those who have not, have not, but those who have want more.... Nell Rose (author) from England on November 30, 2014: Hi Funda, I totally agree with you, I keep looking for news on this but nothing seems to have happened, and its quite a long time now, its disgusting how they have been treated, thanks so much for reading, nell. They didn't have any frames, and if he had left them there, they would have been ruined by the rain. no wonder its still stuck at Sotheby's! When Clifford Schorer, an American art dealer who specialises in Old Masters, realised that he had forgotten to buy a present for a colleague, he had no idea that a chain of coincidences was about to I find Murray's comments on how Selina would spend the money on a swimming pool etc. I think the need of money took over common sense... ! Penny and al: the new owner of the painting is Clifford Schorer, the head of the Board of Directors of the Worcester Museum in Massachusetts, which has sued Sotheby's in the New York State Supreme Court to obtain ownership of the painting. Is there any further update? She was really looking forward to the sale, not just for the money, but because of the whole experience. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford J. Schorer and others you may know. This is a place where everyone comes to throw away all their old garbage. Winslow Homer On The Cliff Cullercoats 1. [4], The painting was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV programme, Fake or Fortune? Now he tells Selena Varney, give me 70-75% of any money raised and I'll allow the sale to go ahead. No family of this calibre would not have insured their valuable artworks, and most keep their records for posterity and history. thanks for reading, nell. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 03, 2015: Thanks Penny, Yes you are right, if it all goes wrong then she will be in big trouble, sorry if you were upset at angiii's comment, I appreciate your writing and letting me know, nell. [4] It appeared in the catalogue without any reference to having been found; it was described simply as "private collection, 1987". After being bought by a third party it is no longer Selina's problem, but I would imagine it is still being disputed. Winslow Homer's seaside studio is on display Monday, Sept. 17, 2012, in Scarborough, Maine. On searching for the history of the painting, Sotheby's had managed to find the Blake family, and explained to them about the find. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! I know where these lot are going. In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 15, 2020: Thanks houseofcharm, I understand now. Certainly not the admiration of the art world and fans of great art. They explained that they had no record of a burglary, and no recollection of the actual work. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer.It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune?. So they set out to try to track down it's History. I cannot stand or bear a mean spirit...... Selina, if you read this, get to mediation, put this xxxxx behind you.. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 29, 2015: Just came back to say I have been looking it up and realise that this news is out there on the internet so I can add it here, thanks again, nell, Hi Penny, thanks for clarifying it. Copyart collectie van Winslow Homer's schilderijen bestaat uit de meest populaire kunstwerken van deze schilder, die beschikbaar zijn op Bimago winkel. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 22, 2015: Thanks anon, yes you are probably right there! It hasn't. I can't believe it's taking this long for the courts to declare who the rightful owner actually is. And you'd mentioned a more equitable split would make sense vs. the decade+ standoff. Hello! Tony Varney, a fisherman and his daughter Selina, had gone fishing at his local spot, in County Cork, Ireland. Remember, they had the painting for 20 years. Thanks as always. He loaned Selena an undisclosed amount of money for the transfer of ownership. Property that has been abandoned does not belong to anyone and the legal owner who has abandoned it cannot later change their mind when they discover its true worth. Or did they come across them in a more nefarious scenario? It really looks very fishy for the Blakes,l I mean how coincidental they just realized it had been stolen! And no its still not been resolved. Lies, falsehoods, theft..... and Mum was 90, all to make her change her will. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 14, 2020: Not sure what you mean by Goldfinch? A ground where he can flaunt around with his fancy words and farfetched unproven arguments. thanks for the update! Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. [4] Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. the court should decided for goodness sake.. as for simon murray, what a pompous ass he was, when i watched that episode all those years ago i could believe people could be so far up themselves as Simon Murray, he's idiot and pathetic stab at Selena purchasing a pool.. twit that he was, i am glad he lost his claim. Its easy to say well here's the evidence, but of course paintings get sold or lost over time, and this of course was 20 years later, not straight away. In addition she can also charge any legal fees, any interest lost from the drawn out legal process lost from the original sale, or devaluation of the artwork due to a withdrawn sale at the auction by the Blakes. View the profiles of people named Clifford J. Schorer. [4] They confirmed the attribution and valued it at over $100,000. One other thing that I think should be mentioned. Family does not deserve it or the painting itself. I watched this just today ... What a story ! Sotheby's should not have stopped the auction after completing due diligence and agreeing to the sale, they were contractually bound to sell the painting. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. Nothing like this had ever happened to her. The home where Homer lived and worked from 1883 … Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. If the courts decide the picture belongs to the Blakes, it is a loss to to Schorer, not Selena. Thanks so much for confirming the story, nell. He can't just take the painting without showing on paper that she put the painting up as collateral. In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. Then for the next 20 years he forgot about them. No police report, no proof it was stolen. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 17, 2017: Thanks FF yes I totally agree with you, but luckily if you read near the bottom it worked out okay. Having just read "The Goldfinch"...don't waste your $$$ OR your time, btw...I was reminded that when works of art are taken out of circulation, whether by actually being destroyed (as the Goldfinch was thought to be for several years), or hidden away in a Paris apartment for decades, or by ownership disputes such what's happening to "Children", we ALL lose by being denied the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of an artist's labor. Who knows. GREED. So, I say that he's out of luck, as well. Join Facebook to connect with Clifford Schorer and others you may know. A very important water colourist in America in the 19th Century. at least a the end she won out, thank goodness! Han vandt først et navn ved illustrationer, særlig efter Borgerkrigens udbrud, ved sine krigsscener for Harpers Weekly. . Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. Ignored Sotheby's advice it would be sold. Thanks for reading. Murray is overprivileged and arrogant, too rich for his own good, and, clearly, he has no understanding of people who actually have to work for a living to support themselves to any degree of modest comfort. I have just watched the latest Fake or Fortune series and I totally understand what you mean about the authenticity. VALUELESS.....unless each take 50%. The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 01, 2018: Thanks Kiri, I am glad that Selena found a way out, good for her. Great hub, I watched the TV programme the other night about the painting. If I were written of, as these Murray's are written of, I would be so very ashamed. Clifford Schorer is on Facebook. The family believed the painting was by her. "The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. 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